Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS, Aerial artist's impression of one of the green spaces earmarked for the former HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. Who would have believed us, this was 1955 words like pedophile and sexual abuse were unheard of. JavaScript is disabled. ", HMS Ganges as a warship (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). Tony Hayden. He was fondling my right cheek as I tried to concentrate on pipping. Jim Gitsham, chairman of the Shotley branch of the HMS Ganges Association, said: "Members will be delighted that he's going down. Were you a 'button boy'? Each evening after we had cleaned the mess, we took everything out of the locker rolled each item into a nine-inch sausage, tied white tape around both ends, and then placed every item on a blanket. Dave Walton RN retired. The skipper was HS McKenzie who went FOSM. Editors' Code of Practice. Like lots of other boys I ran away from home when I was 14 yrs old and joined the Royal Navy as a Boy Seaman 2nd class. The cinemas would be packed with rows of Ganges boys in uniform and the caf at the corner of St Stephen's Lane would sell them many cups of tea as they waited for their bus back to Shotley. Back in the mess, this safe haven shielding us from those torturous sounds, the junior instructors' suspiciously cheerful faces greeted us. 2023 BBC. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. May 46 to HMS Wakeful, Training Flotilla for a twelve-week tour from . Name Hetzner Online GmbH - Contact Role. I heard many boys saying things like , dont bend over in front of the seamanship officer, or always face him dont turn around. Thus was the nature of Ganges harsh training regime. When the Gunnery Instructor was finally satisfied, you put the lot back in your locker as before. In 1907, its famous training mast was erected on the parade ground. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Life on the ship was extremely hard, with a memorial in Mylor, Cornwall, recording the names of 53 people who died while training on it between 1866 and 1899. The facility remained there until its closure in June 1976, October, new Shore Establishment created and commissioned as Royal Navy Training Establishment, Shotley. I knew that once the weather was respectable, when it was no longer dangerous, my skinny little skeleton would be transported, step by trembling step, up that perilous rigging. ', and he replied that it was the first time he had a warm bed, three hot meals a day, and a roof over his head that didn't leak. It had been HO (Hostilities-only) traing during the war. For breakfast porridge was on offer, that salt-coated gruel I'd been forced to eat every morning of my schoolboy days. Picture: SARAH LUCY BROWN, Artist's impression showing the view across a residential street at the redeveloped HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. Jon Sparks. Two other ratings are recorded as 'drowning' whilst on the books of HMS Ganges and both were in 1944. Change), You are commenting using your Twitter account. I had already taught myself to swim. GANGES; the ship had previously anchored out in the harbour below, at Shotley Gate, on the east coast opposite Harwich. Find BBC News: East of England on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. Recruits used to climb the 143ft (44m)-high mast in formation, with the "button boy" standing on a small, circular platform at the very top, hands-free, but with his legs resting against a metal supporting bar. No way would the Royal Navy let the opportunity to instill fear into a young boy pass them by, So began another nine months of laughter and tears, disaster and joy. Rumour had it many years ago a boy did fall, bouncing off the safety net and through the Post Office roof. In attendance was a senior officer, medical officer and the master at arms. Write to Dave Kindred, Kindred Spirits, Evening Star, 30 Lower Brook Street, Ipswich IP4 1AN. I did climb that mast. He would lay on the number of cuts prescribed, each cut raised a welt on the boys buttocks. Discipline was severe, routine constant and fear of punishment loomed at every turn. Royal Navy 238217 Ordinary Seaman HMS Niobe . The cold water often caused some boys to duck in and out of the water quickly or sometimes not at all. Ganges training establishment. Anniversary Toast - HMS RALEIGH 25th Oct 2009, Telegraph: "Captain Peter Grindal Obituary", Future Ford vehicles could repossess themselves, 10 myths told by Covid 'experts' now debunked. I just got on with it. NO FLOWERS FOR GEORDIE, HE'S NOT HERE TODAYTHE SEA HAS CLAIMED MY GEORDIE BOYPLEASE NO FLOWERS TODAYFIFTEEN YEARS OF LEARNING, HE'LL NOT GO DOWN THE MINESO WE TOOK HIM NEAR TO IPSWICH TOWNFAR FROM THE SEAMS OF THE TYNEIN A PLACE THEY STILL CALL 'GANGES' WITH TWO THOUSAND OTHER BOYSHE LEARNED TO SPLICE AND SAIL A BOATTALL ORDERS WERE HIS TOYSTHE 'BULLY BOYS' CAME NIGHTLY, DID THINGS A BOY COUNDN'T TELLBUT THEY MADE HIM WRITE IN HIS LETTERS HOME MAMMA YOU'R BOY'S DOIN WELLTHEN NEWS CAME OF SOME FIGHTING IN A FAR OFF DISTANT LANDWE NEED THOSE BOYS THUS SPAKE FOUR RINGSIN OUR BIG SHIPS THEY CAN RIDEIT'S WRITTEN ON HIS PAPERS, TWAS NOT THE DEED OF A MAN BUT A WAVE THAT TOOK MY GEORDIE BOYFIVE MILES OFF PLYMOUTH SOUNDSO NO FLOWERS FOR GEORDIE HE'S NOT HERE TODAY THE SEA HAS CLAIMED MY GEORDIE BOYPLEASE NO FLOWERS TODAY. It had to be a joke! Observer career path/ real life experience. Ganges will for ever be the legacy of every young boy who passed through those distant gates to emerge as a sailor and a man. According to the HMS Ganges Museum, her timbers were used to make objects including a grand staircase on an estate, and a cocktail bar in a small hotel, both in Devon. HMS Ganges Museum is dedicated to the 160,000 boys who went through the gates as boys and marched out as men, from its inception as a Royal Navy Training Establishment in 1905 to its closure in 1976. HMS GANGES MUSEUM. H.M.S. Doesnt sound too bad does it. Crowned on June 2, 1953, at the age of 25, Elizabeth II went on to have the longest reign for a British queen. Royal Navy 238217 Boy 1st Class HMS Ganges II. Were you at HMS Ganges? To get to the platform you would climb out over the Devil's Elbow, legs dangling in the air, only your grip keeping you from certain death. Unfortunately HMS Ganges is no longer there apart from a few buildings and what is left of the mast. While I probably believed the stories, I was still determined to quality for my chain. Yes indeed, they were the best of times and the worst of times. It would not be an exaggeration to say not one of us had the slightest idea of what lay in store for the next year. Editors' Code of Practice. Bob Roberts. Report abuse. First time ever looking at any RN sights. ", The sailors in training doing exercises outside the gym (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). I wrote this song a long time ago. My DO was so unforgetable I can't remember his name, but he ponced around with his handky up his sleeve and a curled lip. I had thought that our group were the only sailors, if we dared call ourselves that, in this annexe, but I was soon to discover there was a continuous rotation of faces, each at various stages of initiation, a small factory taking in baby civilians at one end and throwing out almost sailors into the real HMS Ganges at the other. Newsquest Media Group Ltd, Loudwater Mill, Station Road, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. 1905 to 1976 saw 150,000 recruits pass through HMS Ganges. While the training ship was originally based in Cornwall, she was moved to Harwich, and then Shotley in the 1890s, in order to be closer to a centre of population. When I say there was sexual abuse Im speaking from personal experience. Probably running away was the worse decision, they were always caught and returned to the camp. On the parade ground the order went something like On the command fix! The left hand went behind the cheek of your left buttock and twisted the bayonet and scabbard upward. Read about our approach to external linking. Roger Jones, chairman at the HMS Ganges Museum said: "HMS Ganges was originally a ship of the wooden wall, launched in 1821. . But this was Ganges, we never got away with anything. 'Letters back to front, remember!' This punishment was something I never witnessed and can only describe from what other boys told me. John Garrett. (LogOut/ (LogOut/ Steve Tarr. A Gannett Company. HMS Ganges - part of front gate Having completed the New Entry training over at the Annex (I think it took six weeks), we then marched over to Drake 39 mess over in the Main Establishment. This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's They faced what was without doubt the most severe punishment, cuts. "They had a hard life, but they were fed and looked after. Ganges Tales of the T.R.O.G.s Paperback - 22 Nov. 1995 by John Douglas (Author), John Wheatley (Illustrator) 6 ratings Paperback 12.00 8 Used from 8.90 H.M.S. Most boys just wanted to complete their year and go to sea. 5.0 out of 5 stars A real trip down memory lane. inaccuracy or intrusion, then please Attempts have been made to contact developers Haylink Ltd but have been unsucessfull. There were stories of many similar violations but none ever reported. Peter Cook. The Admiralty decided that the shore base should bear the name of the original training ship, HMS Ganges. Harry and Meghan told to 'vacate' Frogmore Cottage, Explosive found in check-in luggage at US airport, Fungus case forces Jack Daniels to halt construction, Rare Jurassic-era bug found at Arkansas Walmart, China and Belarus call for peace in Ukraine. Ken said: It was a dreadful winter. www.amazon.co.uk/H-m-S-Ganges-Dozen/dp/0906418003/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269273975&sr=1-1, www.navy-net.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=134/postdays=0/postorder=asc/start=0.html, www.veterans-uk.info/vets_badge/vets_badge.htm. contact the editor here. I was so fearful of that oncoming event I was becoming a nervous wreck, each night reading the next day's daily orders, wondering if tomorrow would be the day I crapped my pants in public. If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can Maybe we were unlucky with Instructors as one was Court Marshalled, discharged and sent to prison for so called abuse. It had been HO (Hostilities-only) traing during the war. Mr Jones also offered reassurance around the historic mast, despite fears about its dilapidated state. attempted to climb to the top of the mast, Harry and Meghan told to 'vacate' Frogmore Cottage, Explosive found in check-in luggage at US airport, Fungus case forces Jack Daniels to halt construction, Aboriginal spears taken in 1770 to return to Sydney, China and Belarus call for peace in Ukraine, Rare Jurassic-era bug found at Arkansas Walmart. Should one of letters be a millimetre out, you found the lot on the deck when you returned to the mess. The showers usually took place at the crack of dawn, summer or winter we ran from the barrack towel around our waist to the showers. Charles Dickens might have penned it the best of times and the worst of times. Mr Youngman, who joined the navy aged 15 in 1965, said he had previously climbed up to the top of the mast but "couldn't wait to get back down". Read about our approach to external linking. Used to have chats with old Tick-Tock and RPO Salmon gave me my 1 postal order when the max was really ten bob. Its really difficult to give a definitive time scale but once things get going I would imagine that progress will be very visible whereas a lot of the work going on over the past two or three years hasnt necessarily been seen by the public.. Welcome to our next documentary, investigating the decaying remains and iconic abandoned swimming pool of HMS Ganges Royal Naval training school, as well as . This site is part of Newsquest's audited local newspaper network. Down the road we proudly thundered, the first time any of us had seen the outside words since the day of our arrival. However lessons, culminating in a test, were much more difficult. inaccuracy or intrusion, then please Joined Ganges Feb '61..went through the same as everyone else. The water was freezing cold, we never had hot water. Helpful Report abuse Kindle Customer Sorting The Wheat From The Chaff Reviewed in the United States on March 28, 2014 Drake 39 mess At least the cubicles in the heads had doors on this time. CHARGE CHIEF PETTY OFFICER (WEA) Served from 1974 - 1997 Served in HMS Ganges. The culprit was brought before the Commanders table, the punishment was awarded as six or twelve cuts. inaccuracy or intrusion, then please It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. It was as we crossed the parade ground the whole bunch of us suddenly froze and spun to face a huge aircraft-hanger-of-a-building running along its length. The money belonged to the HMS Ganges Association for people who served at the former naval training base at Shotley Gate near Ipswich, Suffolk. This site is part of Newsquest's audited local newspaper network. Standing at 143ft, the mast is made up of three main parts; the main 75ft mast came from HMS Cordelia, a steam corvette built in Portsmouth, the top mast of 47.5 ft wooden ruffle box from HMS Agincourt, which was renamed HMS Boscawen, and then Ganges II. The next six years passed with regular naval detentions, ( Royal Naval Detention Quarters RNDQs Portsmouth) exhausting punishments, solitary confinements, ending with a twelve month sentence in the infamous HMP Corradino, Malta. If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can I was ordered to report for my test one evening after supper. Contents 1 Foundation and early history 1.1 Allegations of abuse 2 Ganges at Harwich 3 Ganges at Shotley 3.1 1906 changes 3.2 Later developments 3.3 First World War 3.4 Post war developments 3.5 Ganges in the Second World War 3.6 Postwar and closure 4 References 5 External links During the third disastrous week, it spent so much time on the deck I thought I might as well leave it there! The HMS Ganges training base, which opened in 1905, closed in 1976 and has remained . In the first week of January it was snowed even harder and it snowed until March. Mr Davis added: They have had the last conditions, including the fire hydrants agreed. Create a free website or blog at WordPress.com. the reason i remember the date is that it was my 15th birthday, We got shipped out to Suez in October 1956 cutting short our training by a couple of months. and for those of you who served at ganges and who have't joined the association go on..nothing to lose and you'll find a lot of old shipmates there!! Speaking about the current state of the site, Mr Jones said: "All of the messes have been demolished, as have the laundry and the generators. So as I have said already, we kept our heads down aiming for that final day when wed be drafted to a ship. It used to be a training camp for the Navy until 1976, and in later years it was a police training school. We were ushered in as a group of naked boys and told to wash thoroughly. She was the last wooden wall ship to be a flagship, and the last to sail around cape horn unassisted. I shuddered to the bone, as I'm sure did other boys. Crowds of boys from HMS Ganges would visit Ipswich when they were given a day off from the harsh naval discipline at Shotley. As Rudyard Kipping wrote in his famous poem IF the you will be a man my son. 10/01/36- 08/02/36 HMS Pembroke. H.M.S. First Royal Navy ship to visit Eire, post independence? Once the situation eases a bit there will be tangible progress to be seen.. Such a tragedy that this historical place has been left to rot. She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich and Shotley . Artist's impression showing the view across a residential street at the redeveloped HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. These adverts enable local businesses to get in front of their target audience the local community. contact IPSO here, 2001-2023. CPO (OPS) (EW) Served from 1966 - 1991 Served in HMS Ganges. Network 157.90../16 Abuse Contact API. Change). There was a way to bypass it for cowards like me, but God help you if you tried using it. He was the officer that tested us when we endeavoured to qualify with a bosuns pipe. A question of Religion?Maybe MaybeNot???? The HMS Ganges site was initially opened in 1904 acted as a boys training facility for the Royal Navy. I allowed my head to tilt backward, sending my gaze to the very top, to the lightning conductor where the Button Boy stood on ceremonial occasions. Mast erected using the foremast of HMS Cordelia, which was broken up 1904. The mast has been a local landmark since it was. Newsquest Media Group Ltd, Loudwater Mill, Station Road, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. Restoration of the historic HMS Ganges Mast is well under way at Barrelmans Point in Shotley. Sadists most of them and that's from a 15 year old who was in a council care home before he joined, streetwise to fcuk and kept my head down. HMS Ganges had a reputation for its harsh discipline. HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships since from 1779, but in 1905 it was chosen as title for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich where about 500 boy recruits were stationed. This page is dedicated to the memory of Tony whose commitment to the Royal Navy and especially HMS Ganges was unlimited. Day when wed be drafted to a ship was 1955 words like pedophile and sexual abuse were of! 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