Cyril Wect is an expert who always talks about how drowning victims have water in their lungs ONLY if they are alive during drowning and not completely dead !!!!!! My theory is that he had started to be nicer to her, as evidenced by her text to her friend Cassie the night before she left for the trip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYC7bHIzuqE. Want to keep up with the latest. As far as the BAC goes, it had been over 100 hours from the estimated time of death to when the samples were taken at autopsy. However, prosecutors maintained that Watts killed his pregnant wife and the two girls, and eventually he pleaded guilty to the crimes. Please, if he was worried about the kids, then why did he kill them as well. I am of the opinion that: Bella was unconscious but still breathing when she was forced brutally into the oil tank, and her injuries were sustained during this push. If you look at the autopsy report she has purple round spots on 1 side of her face from the chin to the temple which could be his knuckles from a punch as well as a 1 handed strangulation. I wondered if there was a fight, Bella saw him strangle her mother and ran into the basement to hide from him. But think about it. From what I understand its not possible to swallow fluids once youre dead. Lastly and not related to your book, I continuously read people stating that the only bruises on Shananns body were the on the right side of her neck. And the life insurance policies out on the 3 girls, not sure Nico yet, was not very much at all. Also zero evidence that she was in bed. She felt that he is going out to pour oil on the bodies to dispose of them. Her husband spoke to Chris and he was not shedding a tear about his missing family.. Thus, the little girls may have been unconscious but they were NOT COMPLETELY DEAD YET.and that is how oil got into their LUNGS !!!!!!!!! Knowing that his neighbor had a camera, he has a reason to leave at that time. Im convinced that he did the same to Shanann. Just a thought. He was a mechanic. As far as OCD I dont believe she had it This shows how little insight you have into this case, and into who Shanan was in particular. As far as the OCD I dont believe she had it. This sick bastard should have done everyone a favor and took his own life. @huey Please read todays post where it reads Shanann returned home from a business trip on the early morning hours of August 13, 2019. Good work. Please review our privacy policy here: https://heavy.com/privacy-policy/, Copyright 2023 Heavy, Inc. All rights reserved. Chris said Shanann arrived home from a trip. God I wish she had taken the girls and just got the heck out of there. I am shocked shes not been charged too. They were invited by Shannans family to attend the funerals and did not even show. Stomach: The stomach contains approximately 75mls of viscous green-black fluid which is suggestive of oil and particulate matter from the oil tank which she was in. I wrote a book that tried to integrate information, not just throw the information in the air and shrug. Everyone did think I was the nutty one by what he said cause he was a great guy to them. Jeremy Lindstromwondered if Shananns OCD and honey-do lists had gotten to Chris. After reading the 2000 page discovery & the autopsy report & listening to the FBI agent talk about other cases I learned that smothering by manual force is done very frequently to children. Chris is dead inside. Page 582, 6. Folks seem to think wanting to know why means supporting Watts or blaming his wife. The trauma dogs noted hot spots in the basement. Very hard to think a dad can do that but my ex just turned, didnt want any of his family anymore and still has very little contact for the past 8 years. How was she about her childrens allergies? 5. When youre pregnant, your chest grows significantly and pretty rapidly- its completely understandable that she might have been wearing one to bed. He doesnt have a soul!!!!! Look up alcohol levels in postmortem state. So what Was his motivation for that? CW was already working out his plan to annihilate his family around the time he was getting ready to make his daughters some dinner. Shan'ann seemed to have a fairly mild case. Chris only saw things with one lense. Chris thought that she was dead? Judging any of the characters in this story as either all good or all bad doesnt help us figure out what really happened. It could be all the thrive he was taking. If Shanann tried to claw his neck I would think he would have cuts there. Face? Anyways, interesting theories guysthanks! I just dont understand this. Or do they just know? C . Chris was plainly seen in the neighbors security video loading a red gas can into the back of his truck. Or after kids went to bed, and Im sure she didnt want to become an instant Mom! he said he had to raise the girls arms up to get them into the hatches of the oil tank. Chris Watts is the subject of a new Netflix series called American Murder: The Family Next Door. The two girls were found in oil drums. Shanann was in there with her on top of her. Have they watched something? At the end of the day there are no good reasons to commit murder, especially of ones own flesh and blood, but there may be valuable lessons to learn from figuring out how this could have happened. A Stranglehold can incapacitate and render unconsciousness within 5 11 seconds. Shananns mother Sandra Rzucek told police she suspected foul play and suspected Chris, saying he was acting weird and out of the ordinary. The autopsy report found that Shanann was in her second trimester of pregnancy and that the "largely decomposed fetus and placental unit" was found "expelled from the gravid uterus." Also, he usually goes to the office in the morning and then goes out to the sites but the night before he called and told a coworker he was going to the site. Shananns Autopsy Report states, There is a linear array of variably sized, purple black circular defects which extend from the inferior aspect of the chin, along the jawline, up the left aspect of the face, towards the left temporal area. They have no empathy, which enables them to be incrediably cruel, if it suits. Chris Watts advised that blankets and stuffed animals were left by the sheet which was near Shananns grave. Have you read the 2000 page discovery? Not everyone poops when they die, in fact most do not. He had only a few friends. That alone speaks volumes how they were approaching their relationship. No, it doesnt. I just dont get it. He asked one time if he should go look for his familyhe did not ask again about looking and he did not seem overly concerned, the police report said. 100% agree. Unless youd take that as he was going on the run with them, which I highly doubt. Ive considered morphine [since Shanann was a lupus sufferer, and needed strong pain meds], but morphine should have come up in the autopsy. No, so you have same information that anyone else has. The police reports contain a conversation Chris had with his father. He failed all 3 questions. Celestes was similar. Read Thomas Molletts forensic report https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/17/thomas-molletts-forensic-report-on-shanann-watts-post-mortem-blood-alcohol-level/. I would say the asshole probably turned them over or put the comforter over their faces and did it that way. Ive seen many people die in the hospital where I worked- not everyone poops when they die (and their stomachs were empty)- except the oil in the Angels stomach. Did you have to cover something up for Shannan? Back? In the video of Chris Wattss confession, previously published on CrimeOnline, investigators appear incredulous that he was able to fit the bodies into the tanks, but Watts claimed he was able to do so without difficulty. He added Shannan in as an after thought, or Shannanor my wife Hope he has a wonderful time rotting and thinking about what hes done to his family. As previously reported, Shanann Watts was 15 weeks pregnant at the time of her murder, with a baby boy the couple had already named Niko. Police photos They then start putting the idea in his head what happened, did one of the kids die & Shannan killed the other one & herself? You get to know the people involved in a criminal investigation pretty well after writing 4 x 30 000+ word narratives. October 3, 2018 / 12:35 PM / CBS Colorado. The Watts murders got to me also. In this day and age, OCD has become a replacement word for ritualistic behaviour and personal idiosyncrasies. I did. Chris said that she often went straight to bed without showering after a flight, saying that shed shower and wash bedding to rid it of the airport in the morning. Anyway, this is the scenario I would paint if I were the prosecutor in the case. If you look at other cases where someone is strangled to death, the amount of defensive wounds, including bruises, is extensive. This would explain how she didnt fight! ShanAnn claimed to be pulling down $80,000 a year. He said he was downstairs, came back up and they were gone. I find it odd that Shanann was wearing a bra when found. Gastrointestinal Tract: Chriss demeanor was nonchalant. The same instinct that we as parents have to call somebody for help when our children our hurt. I think he had mental issues too. Do not make it more complex than it need be please. He wanted out, didnt want the baby., and took the cowards way. It is my observation that Bella was unconscious but still breathing when she was and stomped on her head to get her into the tank. Celeste and Bellas bodies were each inside one of the tanks. Did you live with them? One body was face down in the south side of the tank. In his story he goes downstairs & hears commotion goes into the bedroom & sees Bella on her bed with covers off & then Shannan on top of CeCe. Im wondering if he had bipolar. I really think that the pregnancy started the whole thing. Dont forget, she is pregnant. This was filmed during the police officers body cam footage. @Karen did she get dressed for bed, or did she simply take of her jeans, throw off her flip-flops and decide to settle down for a couple of hours sleep wearing the bra, panties and t-shirt that she arrived home in? As a former forensic detective I dont completely agree with the DAs comment that it is normal. no she was a good mom who looked after her kids! She was not drinking while pregnant! Who and/or what are we dealing with here? So when he pulls her off theres not one last gasping breath, she dies at that exact moment and theres nothing Chris can do but kill Shannan!!!! If you believe that Chris didnt kill his daughters, then why on earth did he dump their bodies in oil tanks like they were trash? what proof does this autopsy shows that chris beyond a reasonable doubt killed his kids?. Thats fine, but since thats the case, its better that you head elsewhere where youll feel more comfortable. Police saw a bed sheet. If thats the case I cant figure where else they would have been at that time. Shannan's cause of death was strangulation while an autopsy found crude oil in Bella and Celeste's throats, stomach and lungs. Had he planned this out, he would have killed them earlier, left in the middle of the night, in the dark, to dispose of the bodiesnot as the sun was coming up as seen in the tape. She asked him to keep the receipt for taxes. Not sure if it is true, but I heard that the GF (Nicole) and his parents are both doing book deals! Part of the evidence that he put into the trash. Watts previously told investigators that Shannan's killing. Autopsy shows oil, water, and sludge in their lungs, which cannot happen when you are dead. So while he would have possibly had more of a mess to clean up with ShanAnn than with the girls, it was contained, unlike the mess of that horrid Patrick Frazee who killed Kelsey Berreth by braining her with a baseball bat. Chris Watts. She was an environmental science person. Thankyou. She seemed to be in pajamas which indicates she got into bed, which sickly matches up with his barely got into bed remark, The sheets were stripped because they probably got pulled off anyway during the act. Googled ways to suffocate children? The autopsy is commenced at 1730 hours, on August 17, 2018 on the body of Celeste Watts at the McKee Medical Center, Loveland, CO. The Weld County Coroner released the complete autopsy reports of Bella, Celeste, and Shanann Watts, who were murdered by Chris Watts on August 13. He says with a halphazard yeah she was like for sure gone, she was blue, and no beats, no breaths, nothing. The lack of a broken hyoid bone (called thyroid bone in the autopsy?) All but her office. How do THESE people know? You know theres plenty of that right? Cassie Rosenberg Page 626 Get a life and quit trashing innocent victims. He cared more about his 2 month relationship with that home wrecker then the 6 years he spent with his wife and the lives of his children. @Nick, regarding OCD. Wanting to know why is simply that wanting to know why. Im sure if he were pretending to sleep she would have been so tired she would have gone to sleep right away, thinking well talk in the morning, things will be better tomorrow. Unless I missed it? One of the unknowns in this case is why Watts did what he did. Your email address will not be published. Utter Rubbish! I lived with one. Remember that Chris was sleeping in the basement at this time so they werent sharing a bed. First off lets not forget it was only after Chris failed the polygraph & then they said its time to come clean & Chris first said I had an affair, Ive been cheating on my wife, so I hurt her emotionally thats why its saying I lied. Then he agreed to go to Aspen with her for the weekend following her death. Youll never see the kids again! WHATEVER!!! He knew that he would be at those oil tanks by himself that morning. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. I meant three perfectly formed humans. With ShanAnn, IF she was attacked and killed shortly after she arrived home, while still downstairs, she would have still been dressed her underwear and pants would have caught it. External bruising may have been caused by the assailant releasing the victim after killing by stranglehold, and the victim falling onto an object which would cause small circular patternation and subsequent bruising. Its a matter of body position. Shanann had only (ap autopsy) "probable bruising on the anterior subcutaneous neck tissue" sweetbreez 4 yr. ago Like the previous commenter said, LE explained that it had to do with her being buried in the sand vs the oil. What information to that extent do you expect *an autopsy* to provide?? Did anyone explain that? I dont know about you, but I definitely dont sleep in mine. @Nickhi, in answer to your question about the suitcase she might have been so exhausted and wanting to get to bed right away that she left it downstairs, figuring she would deal with it in the morning. Several life experiences may also have contributed to and promoted OCD-like behaviours in Shanann too the loss of financial control during bankruptcy, divorce, car accident, illness etc all contribute to a person seeking the need for regaining control of their life which can manifest as a place for everything and everything in its place behaviours. Once the body dies the lower digestive tract opens up. -nickvdl. Makes me so sick. The male agent says did Shannan do one child & you the other? I did hear shananns mom say let them in her daughters house. I cant believe the police let them stay in there. The graphic autopsy reports detail the condition of all three bodies after they were recovered from an oil site owned by Anadarko Petroluem, where Chris Watts buried them. Please explain. I actually do not believe that there was any sedation to the girls or his wife. Rossen et al 1943 states that loss of consciousness occurs in five to eleven seconds where there has been carotid and vertebral artery compression. Shanann was discovered in a "foetal position" in a shallow grave, while her two young daughters were found in "crude oil sludge". If someone begins to strangle you while youre in a deep sleep and laying down you may never regain enough consciousness to fight back. On Aug. 13, 2018, Chris strangled Shanann, 34, in their Colorado home. Simply stated, you are an ignorant human being, Badmouthing the vicitm like that when she can not defend herself. His aversion to it is so blatant, and its obvious why. Watts pleaded guilty to murdering Shanann, Celeste and Bella to avoid the death penalty. However, this method is especially brutal, sadistic, and intimate, as he he would see their dying eyes. Was the examiner not able to determine the order in which Shanann and the girls were killed? Time of death for all three victims is unknown. MYTH: OCD IS JUST ABOUT HAND-WASHING, CLEANING, AND BEING NEAT. could also suggest a Stranglehold. ShanAnn was, to put it simply, addicted to her MLM lifestyle and that was the most important thing in her life. But I am of course hoping that she was totally unaware in her unconsciousness. Maybe we can do a group letter and petition: dear Watts, what happened??! I approached an expert to get his take on it, and was a little disappointed by his findings: https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/17/thomas-molletts-forensic-report-on-shanann-watts-post-mortem-blood-alcohol-level/. You can see it in his eyes. She even labelled food in her kitchen. Again, less bad publicity for LeVel. And if the girls mentioned a nikki shanann may just assume her friend. Bella was face up, so oil had oozed into her stomach and lungs. I guess he did want to get rid of them all, and do it all over again with her. I expect they also make youtube channels of women doing things wrong to say why they hate women, even if men usually do more of those things, If he killed her downstairs how would there have been no movement on main floor shortly after she got home. Police reportsA photo of one of the girls. He had strangled me while I was pinned down to the floor, face up. This was the 6th MLM that ShanAnn had been involved in she was apparently a MLM junkie. GPS from Watts work truck led police to the oil well. Thats a power-nap another thing MLM folk are good at. Only feces already in the lower part of the large intestine/colon is going to evacuate and even then- it depends on the position of the body, the amount of decomposition and rigor mortis. Kind of comforting too if they were unconscious when murdered they wouldnt have died in fear and terror. He snapped and I was terrified of him. If the oil got into her stomach by being submerged in the tank then shouldnt CeCe have oil in her system too. Both my kids were blue and they were gone. Of course he kept saying hed never hurt those kids, he was lying, trying to save his ass. Hello everyone, Im having my doubts about an emotional conversation occurring that particular morning prior to Chriss killing Shanann. The DA mentioned that. I guess since theyre children and small its possible. Also, I highly doubt Shanann was killed by pulling her down onto her back. Ive never personally had a child repeatedly behave as the girls did, and pleasea disclaimer here. Isnt it coincidental that Chris saw her on top of CeCe & when he got into the room it was at the exact moment that CeCe died!!!! What was Shananns cause of death? I believe he killed her while she was sleeping, would have been easy to trap her arms under covers. She wanted to be, and really thought she was, a great mom. PLEASE know, all of these words are helping me to work through an event that is really messing with my head. Take Jodi Arias she lured him into a shower and made sure she was armed and he was naked, vulnerable and unsuspecting when she attacked him. So Shananns OCD personality stopped that night? Something that might help with perspective is this financial article in which a wife writes in for advice, because her husband has started sending hundreds of thousands of dollars to a cult: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-woman-made-a-life-changing-decision-after-her-husband-gave-600000-to-a-cult-2017-07-10 . Oil water and sludge debris in the stomach.. Yes, Posted Youtube videos shows that her office was messy. How do you or any of us know what her last words to Chris were? 3. No screams were heard in the middle of the night. She left him a note the morning she left for Arizona and it was very loving & positive. They asked him ways to murder somebody & he said shoot someone, hit them with a club, stab them, run them over, throw them off a cliff, a bunch of other weird ways but steering wide of strangling. She hurt my kids., Chris said, Theyre in a freakin oil tank. How did Shanann Watts die? Thats inaccurate. I know that OCD was mentioned on several instances in the Discovery by those who knew her, but do they have the qualifications to make that diagnosis? Its in the autopsy x. Similarly, the anxiety caused by these obsessions can be lessened by different compulsions, such as checking (e.g., re-checking door locks, repeatedly making sure the oven is off), repeating (e.g., doing the same action or ritual over and over to be sure it was done correctly), and counting (e.g., doing things in certain numbers, counting items to certain numbers). Carol, I think you are absolutely spot on, and on all points too. Hed let her snuggle him that morning. Would he have cleaned up Shannans stuff if he didnt kill them? Not everyone poops when they die, in fact most do not. If they were pliable makes me wonder if they were not deceased that long before he was able to shove them into the tanks. She had a separate closest for her shoes & purses. Shanann was wrapped in a sheet. Now remember this would be AFTER strangling Shannan carrying her to their room & putting her in bed, so at least 5 minutes and since it would have taken about 4 minutes for CeCe to die 9 minutes had passed supposedly since Shannan had been in her room. Here is what the International OCD Foundation says. I am 57, I weigh 132 lbs.. .,,, I had my husband straddle my chest and pin my arms down and Im telling you right now, I could not move. Then again she was dressed for bed. Do you have any family that said she had OCD? The cadaver dogs noted no presence of bodies in the basement however. And then I freaked out and hurt her., He whispered, Sheshe smothered them. However, his zombie-murder persona wouldnt let think that far ahead. It was a matter of how they were immersed in the oil. Watts buried Shannan's body in a shallow grave and dumped his daughters' bodies into an oil tank at the oil and gas exploration site where he worked in Frederick, Colorado, US. Inhaling ethanol fumes would make them all instant drunk and completely defenseless. As noted by Crime Watch Daily, police recovered her body in the Frederick area. If this is true, what a sad sad world we live in for the love of money is the root of all evil. And then you test it in various scenarios. Jayne is an EXTREMELY experienced K9 handler she can be seen in action in the Docu-Movie Missing 411. That got me too it sounded more like Shanann was trying to do CPR if she was already blue! And anyone on this thread acting as if the mother plays any part(or the mistress) for that matter..well you are just as psychotic. Correct. I would like to read the discovery how do I find it? Meredith Kercher is a famous example. Ive wondered if he made her a drink when she got home, a smoothie with some type of alcohol that you wouldnt taste in it to knock her out because she didnt drink. Very CW. This put undo pressure on the marriage and Chris being the douche bag he is, it was too much pressure to perform I beleive. Seemed to me like she kept everything clean that you could see. its pretty clear they went to bed like normal >>>How is it pretty clear? document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Your email address will not be published. He didnt attempt to revive the children or call for help. Netflix viewers believe a murdered wife sent police a clue from beyond the grave after spotting something "creepy" in the doco about her brutal murder at the hands of her cheating husband. Makes sense since Shanann has zero marks indicating a struggle, I thought from the jump that she wasnt even awake when he killed her. Then he asks to talk to his dad. Based on the clothing they were found in, probably Chris pretended to be asleep. She said he was telling people he has to go to work and that just doesnt seem right. 5 PM the previous evening, as many of us believe, then by the time he was ready to pass them through the thief hatches, theyd be pliable again. A CHOKEHOLD usually involves cutting off the air supply, (air choke or tracheal choke) a STRANGLEHOLD involves cutting off the blood supply. Shanann was found in a shallow grave at an oil site near the drums. If she was murdered in bed, why isnt there any evidence of that? This guy had some sort of mental problem. He said the blood alcohol is normal after you die. And I doubt this person is a doctor who can just diagnose ppl he doesnt know either. 19th Judicial District Attorney Michael Rourke said that Watts totally and deliberately ended four lives, smothering the girls. 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