Viberg 1035 8.5: Its a great looking last, heel is massive. Carminas guidance is down by half for shell or for unlined , in all lasts. For someone who was a first time buyer of Northampton shoes, that process was indispensable. Meermin Hiro: 10D (9UK), I can walk miles in these in thin/medium socks but would strongly prefer more toe room. The lower tier shoes arent and if C&J or EG are out of reach, go with Alden rather than any of the cheaper Northampton brands. Definitely wish Viberg made more boots on this last. Carminas are better than Meermin shoes today because of one major thing: Better Material Quality. Meermin shoes are also very comfortable due to the relaxed feel of their Double Insoles System but they are not as comfortable as the Carmina shoes. Little bit of heel wiggle room. In the end I find it would be the most comfortable of all three lasts. And with the double-insoles system in place, comfort is guaranteed with Meermins. or to put it another more childish way, you started it! Also it seems that Carmina outlet in Granada used to sell Meermin shoes a few years back. They both have a very knowledgeable blog dedicated to shoes. Thanks. Where C&J excels is in the breath of their offering, but the overall quality wouldnt differ significantly between the two. Hi Simon, you mentioned at the top that Carmina doesnt use plastic heel stiffener. You get slightly better quality with Carmina at a cheaper price. Fit seemed good at first but toe box is just too narrow for extended wear. Vass, TLB Artista, even Meccariello. Ive undergone a career change and offices in the US have become more and more lax about dress standards, even prior to 2020. In addition to the Artista line you allude to, they also have a great customization program. Our featured affiliate vendor of the week is a brand new affiliate vendor, the artisan Bespoke Shoemaker Szuba. The US has several brands that fit into this discussion - some old, some new. The main concern for me is finding a last shape that fits my high instep and once I find that last I stick with it. Carmina shoes have soles that are durable and very comfortable in their design, due to the Goodyear Welt construction used to hold them in place. Was no question about it in any of the cases). I bought a pair of suede oxfords some months ago and I have found them to be fairly good for their cost. Customers love the shape of the Almond Toe-Boxes of Meermin shoes Many believe that that design adds well to the elegance of the shoes. In India there is Bridlen (below), which makes a very solid, classic-looking shoe. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[580,400],'footslide_com-medrectangle-3','ezslot_13',107,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-footslide_com-medrectangle-3-0');Let us see what Carmina shoes and Meermin shoes look like at first glance: One of the most elegant shoes out there today is the Carmina shoes. When you go to shoe shows like Micam, the Berwick stand is always the one that's crowded.. Most brands in that price segment have fewer offers for you in terms of lasts. Carmina shoes are more comfortable, flexible, and relaxing than the Meermins. Overall, Carmina shoes are better than Meermin shoes. That point has been removed until it can be proved either way. I did have a little heel slip in the beginning that went away. Also Berwick, Yanko and others. The shoe also felt very light, like it was cheaply constructed. Snug toe box, foot extends past footbed on sides, narrow waist causes significant bowing. Click Here to join Styleforum's thousands of style enthusiasts today! The shoes might look good on the feet, but if you pick them up and look closer, youll notice little errors. Any feedback from you on this brand. It was a bit controversial, I remember some who felt pinpointed argued quite strongly against it. Break-in was tough. I'm looking at a cobbler union in a 312 last they recommended 1.5 down from brannock. Thats interesting. Look our for slightly used or shop worn EG, Lobb and St. Crispins on ebay. And it seems like, that level of service pervades the company. Its an entirely stupid thing to say, not least because most of the leather used on the soles of English shoes are from European tanneries. Bought before I understood my size. Arch support is nowhere near the 55 last but feels much more substantial than any other maker listed. I must admit, my original motivations were more around my budget limitations, but I think I am also strangely more attached to them having visited the factory (the same site since their manufacturing started in the late 19th century) and learnt about their provenance. 5 years ago, I probably would have bought an Oxford of some kind. This is the next level down of Spanish brands, more on a par with the Swedish start-ups in terms of quality, but much bigger organisations. While I have no problem wearing RTW tailoring that is cheap relative to the bespoke stuff you discuss on the website, with shoes I found it impossible to go back to cheaper brands once I got my first EGs. Wesco MP1339 9E: It's alright, toe box is really low and the gusset take up volume running the whole way up the boot as it is fully gusseted. Rancourt 114 9D: Great fit sometimes. CARMINA belvtor.by - CARMINA 100% 10016 U www.clinicarinologica.com - 6.5 CARMINA ecovitaconstrutora.com.br 17,500 . both pairs have a dainite (or dainite-type, in Meermin's case) sole the Meermins have blind eyelets, whereas the Carminas have a brass eyelet that look to match the speedhook finish the heel on the Carminas is quite a bit longer than Meermin's I ultimately gave up on mine. Using these focus points, lets get into the comparison of these two shoe brands: Also, the materials of the Meermin shoes are flexible and stretchable enough to accommodate most feet. Meermin Burgundy Oxford Shoe || Men's US 8 UK 7 E. $50.00 + $32.48 shipping. Both these shoemakers offer value far and a way above a UK shoe at a similar price point so they really are worth a look for a person prepared to put in the effort. For example, I got two new boots from the UK this week: a shell Carmina balmoral at just over $500 USD and C&J Galway 2 at just under $390 USD. Aha, I see. I dont think theyre very different, but no I cant compare directly, as I dont own GC RTW. Allen Edmonds is perhaps most similar to Loake or Barker. Low instep fits me perfectly. He knows the market back to front and is a lovely gent. This means the number of brands to cover increases, as they do at the bottom of most clothing categories, so towards the end we divide into regional sections instead. Alden Van (unlined shell): 10D, ended up selling before fully breaking in. Carminas actually have better fits than Meermin shoes. For something more formal I turn to Carmina which provides the best bang for the buck. Feel free to include any additional information about your feet, such as: Specific circumferential measurements (as requested by Bakers, Russell Moccasin, etc). Is it enough to justify the extra 75 quid per pair? Cheers Adam, and very pleased thats the case. Heel is a bit wider than I'd like when new but does break in. Take a ruler and measure between the base of the paper to the marked line. Thanks EL. Really? to my eye, both look too large for you based on these pics. Most brands provide one width per shoe/last, which in the end really limits your ability to find the right fit (not to mention, to find the right fit for the shoe you actually want to buy). The soles on the Trickers town shoes wear down quickly. (My feet are only moderately narrow, so I dont have issues with normal width lace up shoes). You are using an out of date browser. Tried an 8.5E on a 2014 manufactured pair and its better than the modern ones, but the taper is a bit more aggressive so I'd prefer a 9 in much older or "OG" 2030. Meermin has started including thin leather insoles with the HOK boots now and they improve the fit significantly. Id have to say that, based on my personal experience, the C&J shops are one of the great strengths of the company. Our builds will give about .25 size in the long run, on average. Not sure the best place for this, and realise there is no correct answer but was wondering your view on the proportional cost of shoes to suits, shirts etc? Carminas are more expensive than Meermins. Update: had to take the leather insert out, just couldn't deal with how shallow the toe box is. I find the shoe discussion to be an interesting one. Having a shorter HTT than HTB allows me to wear it 1 down from by brannock. I could wear these with my really thick winter socks if I wanted to. So if there is a middle man, its often the brand. And you could choose a more rounded last, if that was your preference. Even so, I do believe that the Meermins are the best value-for-money among the shoes mentioned. Nick horween has spoken at length about this, so shell cordovan chromexcel etc are technically corrected grain. Pepe Albaladejo runs Meermin with his father Jose, who founded the company in 2001 by selling through the legendary shoe mecca that is Tokyo's Isetan department store. Loake 024 last (F-Fit): 7UK a bit tight around toes and heel. After trying on shoes in Trading Post, the fit is so much better than any western brands Ive ever tried. 11D would've been better out of the box but CXL is very forgiving. Ie if you spend 500 on a pair of shoes youd probably be looking at circa 2,000 for your suit and 150 for your shirt. *** Viberg GYW fits just a touch smaller than Stitchdown. Its just a selection of brands, and focus were on cheaper shoes than J. FitZpatrick (although he has a new lower-priced range coming). **The older 2040s are tighter, because of the older style of heel pad, if you find it too tight I recommend considering swapping out the heel pads. Spoo coming through with a great thread. Why not economical or cost effective or something else which has more neutral/positive connotation unlike cheap. There might be a wide heel seat, for example, but then even some expensive English shoes like John Lobb have that.. This is very useful, thank you. With Carmina you can get a more refined shoe - closed-channel stitching, a more bevelled waist and so on. A bit surprised that you had the experience with Berluti, they have a pretty good reputation. If it is plastic, it means it cant adapt to your heel shape over time, improving the fit. I now have 3 different pairs on that Cheaney last. Im really tempted to name and praise (as opposed to name and shame! in 9D my feet can slide right out. As someone who has handled or owned several of these brands I thought it would be helpful to offer my experience, anecdotal though it may be. Free shipping for many products! Thanks Simon, great work as always. They also have thin rubber soles throughout, which some people like more, but is cheaper as well.. They are amazing shoes. Seems to be a popular thing to write now. Viberg 2020 8.5 Stitchdown: Pretty snug, cannot wear boot socks in. 6.5D Carmina: 5.5: UK: Forest, Robert - 5.5UK: 6.5D Carmina Forest: 5.5: UK: 5.5UK with a smidge of heel slip: If your size in a Viberg last is a bit snug I would consider sizing up for GYW. Ive never understood why they tried to branch out so much. I just don't love Rancourt's boot patterns and overall build. Seeing an article like this is refreshing, its nice to see PS being more inclusive by discussing products which are more budget friendly. I own several of the shoes mentioned in this article (Meermin, Allen Edmonds, Loake 1880, Carmina) and if theres one thing I learned, it is that: you cant buy Gold for the price of Copper. I am a little biased here because I have had these for longer than any other pair on this list, so they are more broken in, and the last happens to fit my foot better than any but the C&J 348 too. One brand not mentioned were the French company Bexley. very snug in the toes. As of late, I found that the cost differential between Crockett & Jones and Carmina has become more significant. Rock Your Socks- show your sock, shoe & pant combos, *DROP 3/1* NWT $240 Ralph Lauren Purple Label Italian Made Navy Linen & Mulberry Silk Twill Neck Tie, * DROP 3/1 * NWT $225 Ralph Lauren Purple Label Italian Made Square Knit Solid Black Silk Neck Tie, R.M.Williams Comfort Craftsman Tobacco Suede UK 8.5 H. OGIO Golf Travel Bags The Royal Experience! Bought before I understood my size. Whites Barrie 8.5D: Felt too tight on the instep brand new. I suppose they get away with it because the overwhelming majority of their customers arent that knowledgeable about shoes or leather quality. The new El Salvador ones were too tight and I'd require a 10.5. I have a pair of Berwick chukkas and theyre pretty decent but they also dont feel as good to wear as the AEs (personally I wish Id spent more money on a higher quality make, but the store was out of C&J chukkas at the time). all have factory shops if you are looking for a classic style but at a price closer to a discounted Loake. The question there is how long such value lasts, when the company grows or takes on new costs. The arch is prominent, not as much as the White's Archease. 8 last 9D: Bad fit. In my experience, AE is not second to the former neither in leather quality nor make, and features more comfortable footbeds (especially vs Carmina), only it is not as sleek. Rock Your Socks- show your sock, shoe & pant combos, *DROP 3/1* NWT $240 Ralph Lauren Purple Label Italian Made Navy Linen & Mulberry Silk Twill Neck Tie, * DROP 3/1 * NWT $225 Ralph Lauren Purple Label Italian Made Square Knit Solid Black Silk Neck Tie, R.M.Williams Comfort Craftsman Tobacco Suede UK 8.5 H. OGIO Golf Travel Bags The Royal Experience! And that at the end of the day, I would be better off saving on a getting an additional major item a year of fine quality rather than getting a 30th shirt that I dont really need. I have not personally verified it since, but I believe that I am at the mid-to-upper end of 10.5 based on other fits. I wear chup socks with all of my shoes and boots these days, but for some of these I wore Darn Tough crew light or Darn Tough cushioned boot socks. Bored of counting likes on social networks? Please check Rafal's thread and patronize a true custom maker. There are many places out there that have discussions about shoe sizing across brands and lasts, but I wanted to get a thread started here as well. At least in the States, TLB comes in less expensive than C&J even after the customization upcharge and even if you select the higher-quality Artista line. Im sure PS readers would disagree! I got tired of my usual worn brands price development and wanted to see if it is possible to find decent shoes under 300 Euros, which in my eyes is in no way cheap. Below that, there are smaller differences created by new entrants to the market. A couple of corrections on your US list Simon. To me, they have been 100% worth the money. Thursday Captain 9D: Felt too tight on the instep brand new. Parkhurst 602 Last 9D: Fit well off the bat, little to no break-in. I could fully close the lacing with the shoes still being a little loose with 9E. Youre right, the second pair are a little more casual, but I think either would be OK and personally I prefer the shorter apron of the former. Morjas, and the other Swedish brands Myrqvist and Skolyx, all use leather board heel stiffeners. The former is made in Spain, the latter in Portugal. Orbans (above) is a brand started by Marcos Fernandez, who also started Septieme Largeur and other brands in France. A good pair of these would really satisfy your footwear style needs for a really long time. By the way, the customer service at Skolyx is excellent. Roomy toe box, heel is snug and hugs my foot all around. Very nice article. Meermin offers loafers in simple colours of black, brown, copper, tan, and navy. Thin socks preferred due to somewhat narrow toe box. Any other leather I handled was absolutely fine! These classy are built for the ultimate style, comfort, functionality, and elegance of the elite. He is, at the moment, offering something special forum readers. The fit/finish/materials of my $600 Alden boots is markedly different from my $350 Allen Edmonds Dalton boots. The upper leather is stiff and prone to hard creases, but also a little thinner than other brands on this list which helps with comfort. And in pictures I can see a difference in appearance, at least in terms of shape and design, but I am not sure if there is much of a difference elsewhere (I get that bespoke and such will fit nicer). You must log in or register to reply here. Wapmaxi Time To Change 2015Meermin & Carmina Boot Sizing and Review Hey all, been a bit since I've posted but I stopped by both Meermin and Carmina in NYC the other day and thought I'd share my opinions for guys looking at either or both for fall boot wearing. Carmina shoes come with better finishing than the Meermin shoes. Hello Simon, it would be interesting to have an additional piece about brands a tier above those, e.g. Wolverine 1000 mile 9D: Gusseted tongue made the break in a little hard at first, overall a bit narrow and snug in the waist, but a very comfortable fit when broken in. With thick socks, fits like a snug glove all around on unstructured toe. May have been fine with thinner socks. Luckily it did a tiny bit making it bearable, but damn they are still uncomforable I have to admit. The quality difference was like night and day and Id have no hesitation recommending the Loake 1880s as a good budget shoe. Note: this is for the old China models. Edward Green does for example. Carmina shoes are better than Meermin shoes. Perhaps other readers can. Exactly!! I think one point that was briefly touched on but very important is that the different brands price point will be really different depending where you are. Its got a bit of a shorter toe relative to the heel to ball. Its a comparable quality level, at a slightly lower price, and uses leather-board heel stiffeners. spoo -- great thread idea (I'll soon add my info ). These are two of the best known shoe brands internationally, with Crocketts a British mainstay and Carmina (above) coming to prominence in the past 10 years. They have a lot of life left in them. These boots make me want to convert my entire boot collection to White's. Nice idea for a thread, but does anyone have experience with carmina's wide width options? Is higher volume though. Thats is some very useful information Jesper, thank you! Perhaps someone will find them useful: 1. I guess I was wondering whether the differences in finer shoes were of this sort, especially because you have said before that you find your Aldens to be among your most comfortable shoes (but maybe that was more about lack of structure than anything else). Cheaper shoes will often have small mistakes, such as little splits in the sole or heel stack. Well start with three Swedish ones, all making in Spain or Portugal. Red Wing Iron Rangers (Last 8): 10D, forefoot stretched to be very comfortable. heel and instep grips without the toe being too restrictive, * **Edward Green 82** 8.5UK pretty good forefoot with too much heel slip. Great Stone Alexander 8.5D: Mostly great fit but too much heel slippage. https://eu.jmweston.com/en/collections/bottines-homme/products/edouard-chukka-boot-homme-cuir-veau-velours-marron-fonce, Thats certainly a risk with some French brands, but not usually with Weston. Its a bit funny though that you state I do arbitrary claims, when you yourself lift the examples you do, without backing it up with anything. On the raw materials, you get oak-bark tanned soles, you get the top level of upper, and so on. But Carmina say they dont use them even though Jesper was told they do. This is interesting my experience is the complete opposite. Id advise anyone whos a fan of RTW Northampton and Spanish shoes to go to the source and/or their stockists. I guess I was just wondering whether some of those extra things were actually noticeable in terms of comfort, durability, etc, especially because a number of mid-range shoes now have some of the things you mentioned: closed channels, oak-bark soles (or if not, that is always something you can get on the resole), a wide range of leathers, etc. Try Saphir Shoe-Eze, it actually works. Wearing socks, stand on a piece of paper with your feet against the wall. That sounds like a brand going from manufacturer pricing, as most Northampton shoes are, to designer brand pricing, with a lot more design and marketing built in. Low arches but not flat. The Alden cordovan color of the shoe is achieved by a plastic pellicule which shaves rather quickly to reveal a light brown leather underneath. 2. Looking to buy (a much much cheaper alternative to aldens ) the Berwick plain toe derbyhttps://britishshoecompany.co.uk/collections/berwick-1707/products/berwick-mens-derby-leather-lace-up-shoes-5768-k6. Ive been a big fan of Crockett & Jones, Carmina and Edward Green. Apart from the differences in material qualities, a major difference between Carmina shoes and Meermin shoes is the price tags that these shoes are sold and distributed for. 9US is too generous, * **Red Wing 8 last (iron ranger)** 8.5D a bit snug on the sides of the mid foot, might've gotten away with 8.5E, * **Rider Boot 42 last** 9D comfortable fit, but lowish instep at the top makes it hard to put them on without shoehorn, * **RM Williams Comfort Craftsman** 8G with a little heel slip, * **TLB Mallorca Alan** 8F UK generous without being overly roomy. Ive thoroughly enjoyed this article and PS in general. Ive just received an email from Herring Shoes announcing that Church Shoes Ltd have decided to increase their prices to reposition their brand at a higher price point. If I may add to this discussion, i recently purchased a pair of burgundy penny loafers from morjas. Too tight in the vamp and mid-foot. However, I would recommend ones like TLB and Skolyx that I have had experience with. Measured as 9.5 D. Will get more detailed measurements after the pandemic, along with a military last fitting. My favourite pair of C&J have been back to the factory four times for refurbishment. The Brannock size (heel-to-toe) will be the top parent comment. A lot of side to side play in the ankle. You are using an out of date browser. American brands seem to be better at this (Alden, AE). Has the quality of Crockett & Jones gone above Carmina lately? on that curve of diminishing returns. I can see a grey being useful, but that's about all probably. Jason: Thats a real shame. Noel: That was the point I was trying to make, when I wrote: whats my experience, and I know for many others as well who have good bespoke shoes, is that the experience of wearing them, with the snug comfortable fit, excellent arch support etc, widely triumph wearing RTW/MTO Goodyear welted shoes. Allen Edmonds on the other hand has been declining in quality. I have had a painted patina on several shoes see Berluti here, Dandy here, Carreducker here and G&G here. Last shape feels similar to Parkhurst 10 and Viberg 9.5, except toe is slightly longer and more tapered, heel is snugger, and it's much roomier throughout the instep. Interesting selection. Foot extends past footbed on sides, narrow waist causes some bowing. Its a shame that fees make the value proposition go down fellow shoe enthusiasts abroad. It's a strange feeling last, but I can make it work. Im not sure what you have to back up that this wouldnt be the case? Ive also, more recently, experienced the customer service at GC and G&G excellent in both cases, as was the consistently good service at the Little Cheaney shop in Leeds, when I lived in the North of England. Foster & Son get this so much better with their RTW. Those two are quite similar, in that they both have pretty large marketing budgets, run their own retail, and have ridden the wave of classic menswear in the past few years. Loake Jockey last (G-Fit): 7UK fits but a bit roomy on chelsea boots. Interesting to hear you sized up for Simpson when based on your description above you Could probably have stayed on an 8. Thus, not likely to be much different from your C&J in terms of make, but the last and the leather may differ. Much better quality than todays Allen Edmonds at comparable prices. I have this problem as well. You can use these comfortable shoes to show up appropriately for most events, in the most positive ways possible. Forest is a rounded toe, regular instep and more room across the forepart. The insoles in the Carminas are really comfortable, balanced, and well-structured. Carmina shoes are made with premium materials that are much superior to materials used for making Meermin shoes. Are morjas using leather or plastic heel stiffeners? Boot socks. I used DT cushioned boot socks at the time. I dont know anybody who owns a Mont Blanc wallet, but I know plenty of people who own Mont Blanc pens, and I dont see that ever changing. Not only the uppers are nicer, but the full calf liners are a joy when you put them on and you walk even a bit. I do know and enjoy your blog, lots of useful information! Absolutely do not take it 1.5 down from Brannock like Viberg recommends. Premium Leather Uppers stitched down well with Goodyear Welting strategies make the Carmina shoes to be one of the most well-finished shoes that we have had the privilege of wearing. But in the same moment, I realised this was unfair. No idea what size I'd need to make this last work but I'd guess something like 9.5EE. Too tight in the vamp and mid-foot. But there is also some variation in what you get. First impressions tell us most of what we need to know about certain products. Particularly for certain watches perhaps, although less likely for certain muted bespoke suits which might fit better but wont look more expensive than a good of-the-peg one. Carmina shoes are made with classy Shell Cordovan Leather that is really elegant and unique. I am asking because this difference has never really been clear to me. I normally wear medium weight socks from Darn Tough and Wigwam unless otherwise specified. This is particularly true in the shoe market, given there are few designer brands spending big budgets on marketing and advertising. Certainly if I looked at them close up I could tell, and I could also tell if I was wearing them. The alternative was to shut out the market of men with wider feet. I havent covered Allen Edmonds in the past both because I havent had much experience of them, and because they were below the quality level we normally cover on PS hence their inclusion in this article, which was intended to round-up lots of cheaper makers. 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